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06-30-2005, 11:18 AM Ohhhhhhhh please don't get me wrong , you are absolutely right about the sickos, my point was just that Yahoo! cannot be held completely responsible for it. They were right in doing what they did to protect the children but ... the parents are also responsible and they should take the measures to protect their children from online predators as well. I am in no way defending the sickos.Ive seen what they are like and personally a lifetime in prison would be the best place for them. I just dont believe these parents should hold Yahoo! completely at fault, especially those parents who dont pay attention to what their kids are doing when on the internet.
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07-02-2005, 11:14 PM As cute as a petition is, I don't think a few thousand signatures are going to do anything when Yahoo is losing millions of dollars in advertising revenue.
I'm not sure what's going to become of this, but it will be interesting. Closing user created chat rooms certainly isn't the solution to the problem, but a mere obstacle. I am 20 years old but have been hanging out in The Girls' Club:1 (a teen room) for quite some time mainly because of the people I've met back when I was, you know, a teenager. In any case, there are people in their 40s and 50s here all the time. Granted that I shouldn't be complaining because I haven't been a teen for about a month and a half now but 40s and 50s seems a little over the top to me. Oh yeah, I'm not looking for sex or to see nudes either. So the problem isn't just in user created rooms. I'm not sure what the solution to the problem is other than shutting down all the rooms or hiring minimum wage employees to moderate the chat rooms. I'm not a big fan of chat room moderation since they all seem to be power hungry but I'm not sure what else Yahoo can do. I have a feeling that when all of this comes to an end, user created rooms will remain gone while Yahoo turns the other cheek and ignores the pedophilia going on in their rooms until another investigation happens into Yahoo’s rooms.
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07-03-2005, 08:11 AM Well, Yahoo! actually does not have the luxury of turning any cheeks...all of them are exposed and quite red. Since this issue was brought up in public AND the sponsors know what was happening in their rooms...you can bet that any company worth their salt is checking into EVERY chatroom on which they advertise. No SANE person is going to be happy they are advertising to and/or helping pedos., this is a national "expose'" now...If Yahoo! really wanted a HUGE lawsuit and HUGE sanctions placed on them by the government they would "attempt" to turn the other cheek and allow whatever to go on in their chatrooms. Something tells me this won't happen and the actual solution will be either VERY unpleasant (i.e. NO chatrooms what-so-ever like another company we know) OR quite strict.
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07-04-2005, 11:09 PM I know Yahoo! could go to the extreme of making people prove their age for adult profiles, (ie : using cc's) and that would help keep the kids from making adult profiles and entering adult chat but.. not sure how they would go about it to keep adults out of the kids rooms.I know at one time there were moderators in the kid's rooms, what happened to them? Did they become an unnecessary evil, or did Yahoo just not want to bother anymore? I don't care for moderators either, too much power goes to some of their heads, but I think moderation and proving age are possibly where we are headed. Yahoo! will not be able to get back their sponsers until they have done everything within their power to make sure things like this won't be happening again.I'm afraid this is gonna be a long troublesome time for Yahoo!
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07-05-2005, 02:40 PM I think Yahoo! should not be held accountable for letting users create rooms and entering rooms on their own volition.
If you want to stop child pornography and things of that nature. Parents need to take a more active role in what their child does on the internet. And especially in the new world of Instant Messaging. I am not saying that Yahoo! should turn a blind eye to such blatent acts. But merely pointing out that its not Yahoo!'s fault there are such people in the world. Yahoo! is merely the medium, granted as previously stated they should have a bit more control on what rooms are created, or better yet who can view and enter them. I have heard comments on Filters being in place, I would agree that would be a step in the right direction, but filters are easily bypassed. For an example check your e-mail... I have also heard talk of moderators in rooms, similair to MSN. I do not know how MSN works, I have never used their chat system. But it is my opinion that moderating rooms, would be to costly for low wage employees, especially on the sheer amount of rooms created. Perhaps a form of a bot presence could be put into place that would monitor for certain keywords in the chat text. Perhaps a Bot in the room and filtering of keywords in the creation of a room. Or better yet as previously mentioned, why not do some sort of age verification. Through Verisign or something along those lines, where you have to be 18 to enter chat rooms. But I guess we will see what Yahoo! will do next. Thats just my two cents on this topic. Last edited by UnSaKreD : 07-05-2005 at 02:57 PM.
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09-30-2005, 09:36 PM The Yahoo hangout room list at married1wannashare geocities has been yanked by yahoo/geocities. The new list home for the list is www.yahlist.net. Along with finding out that fetishes:39 is the foot fetish room and their are rooms for cuckolds, crossdressers etc. There is also information on stopping booting and alternative chat clients!!!
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10-08-2005, 02:23 PM I personally believe it's easy to target YAHOO! as the responsible party here, blame the entire YAHOO! internet chat network for "allowing" YOUR children to create such disgusting chat rooms. When YOUR children were busy exploiting themselves, where were YOU? I personally browsed the "user chat" list, and came across a specific chat room named " 9- 13 year old girls who insert ANYTHING (within reason) on cam" The very FIRST thought that came to my mind was.. NOT yahoo! but where are these children's PARENTS? The internet is a super highway of anything goes. People do and say a lot of things they may or may not do in their "real" lives, simply because they somehow feel justified because nobody actually see's them do it. Now that is NOT an excuse for anybody, but it does happen. The computer allows us to hide, be ugly, rude, disgusting, sick, perverted, etc. There are good things online. Not all chat is bad. This whole issue with yahoo! is particularly interesting because nobody decided to do anything about it (exploiting children) whether they were doing it to themselves, didn't know better, or whatever the case may be till the MONEY was pulled. Parents need to be aware that just teaching your children the internet will chew you up and spit you out, regardless of your sexuality, religion, creed, color of your skin, choice in music, what you ate for breakfast. The internet doesn't discriminate. It's cruel, and very ulgy. When bad things happen, and they will don't be so quick to point the finger at the corporation that was there for your child because you may not have been. As far as Yahoo! they are responsible for their share, so is the big ad's. It's everyone who use's the internet. We all have responsibility. I really don't believe children should be chatting on yahoo. Supervised, maybe? As far as this internet petition... I have done some reading about internet petitions and such. They are really not useful, infact they are sort of junk mail if you will. A lot of times it actually gives out information you might not otherwise want given out, doesn't actually have a destination. Will not really do anything.... A good cause maybe? But it probably isn't going to bring the "user rooms" back. Yahoo! is facing a 10 million dollar lawsuit, they can't afford to be hurt by irresponsible people, or kiddies who really have no business acting like they really know who and what and where the nature of the sexual beast they are trying to unleash is about. Yahoo! is not a bad chat site. There are some really nice legit chat rooms there. There are also some rooms that will continue to stay there that are NOT good. Just because they have taken away the "user rooms" doesn't mean that there are not private rooms that are not just as ugly as the ones that were public. They just aren't sitting in a list open for god and everyone to see. If you don't want to see the ugly things online. DONT GET ONLINE!!! You can blame yahoo, but it's not just them. It's just easier to point the finger at the BIG target. Then to have to look at something more ugly and WAY WAY more personal. Then it requires action, and taking PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY.. and who wants that? As for MSN messenger, those chat rooms are moderated... kind of. You go in and most of the time either have to join the chat room, or are redirected to a chat room outside of MSN. So really it's not effective in my opinion. It just calls it moderated chat. I had a really hard time actually finding a chat room with anyone in it. That was in the health and wellness section. I was simply amazed... I just believe that parents need to take an ACTIVE ROLE in what THEIR children are doing online. Even as an adult I get rude, and vulgar, nasty things from other chatters. The internet is not for children to be, not unsupervised. Not without parental controls or something in place.. so they don't exploit themselves, you don't unwilling allow them to get exploited, and others don't exploit them.
Last edited by cutiebcrazy : 10-08-2005 at 02:33 PM.
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10-22-2005, 02:40 AM There is a very, very stupid post in this thread. As a self-proclaimed crusader of justice, a term that I just made up that doesn't actually mean much
of anything but sounds really, really cool, it is therefore both my duty and my pleasure to point it out. I will do so elloquently, and with ratoinal counterarguments. For I am, after all, a crusader of justice. Ahem. I see a whole lot of blame being thrown on Yahoo! here but... what about the parents of these children? Where were the parents when their kids were surfing these rooms? Making dinner, having jobbs, supporting the family. Most parents dont' realize that their kids are chatting in chat rooms with strangers, and think it's to socialize with friends. It's an easy mistake to make. Where are the parents when their kids make adult profiles and go into adult chatrooms? ...Please. Let's leave the arguments of 2002 and 2003 in 2002 and 2003. Which adult chatrooms are you talking about, exactly? How about "northwest teen:1" or "teenChat:13"? Because just as many kids get picked up in those ts in teh adult rooms. In fact, I'm going to go on a little limb, here, and say that they get picked up more. Why is that/ Simple. More actual teens. Only freaks are going to enter a room that says "girls 8&up4sex". That's not where teens want to go. The majority of them hang out... guess... in the yahoo public chat rooms. I could point out that the last time I checked you dont' need an adult profile to enter the adult rooms, but htat would be nitpicking. Come on people, yeah Yahoo! should have taken precautions but lets put some of the responsibility where it should be, on the parents who allow their children to roam the internet freely as a babysitter so they don't have to take time out of their "busy" schedule to be bothered with them. I think you have a bit of a point here, I think that parents could serve to be more interested in what their kids are doing on the 'net, I think that is important. But when your'e a parent, it's important to know what your kids are doing without being seen as "prying," and that's very difficult to do, especailly to hypersensative teenagers. The simplist thing to do is to install a keylogger onto the machine, get the kid's password, and view the IM archives when the kid's not home, but most parents don't know how to do that and that carries a huge risk of abuse with it besides. Anyone who is a parent and has surfed the web and the chatrooms knows what is out there . How many of them do that/ How many of them can do that/ How many of them think to do that? How many of them even have an idea of the danger that could exist? We need to educate them, not blame them. THere's a difference. Parents are ignorant; Yahoo is merely appathetic. That's why Yahoo is more to blame. That, and because it would be much easier for Yahoo to clean up its act than it would be to get all of the parents of America to clean up theirs. I truly believe some of these parents are going after Yahoo! to help sooth their own GUILTY conscience for not knowing what their kids were up to. And you'd be wrong. a lot of these parents don't even konw that their kids are using chatrooms. Why would they? Why would the kids think to say it? Why would hte parents think to ask? As far as they're concerned, it's a way to talk to theirfriends that doesn't run up the phone bill. First and foremost its the parents responsibility to protect their children,there are ways to set up computers so that children cannot get into certain areas of the net. Not really. Oh sure, there are ways, butthey're not that easy, and oyu have to konw about them. Many of them, also, involve spending ca$h. It's pretty sad that although Yahoo! could have done better they need to take the full blame for something that is partly caused due to poor parenting. Alright, here's why Yahoo deserves everything they get. First of all, every chatroom you go into has all of the same features. That is to say, file transfer, voicechat,, instant messaging and webcams are available everywhere. What does htat mean? It means that even in the teen rooms, you can still use a web cam to transmit pornographic images to children. What possible use does a teen have for a webcam in a chatroom? None, really. But they're turned on anyway. That is inexcusable. This could, easily, be changed so that oyu had different levels of ability in different rooms. Yahoo chooses not to bother. Second: no moderators. Again, it's simply inexcusable that this doesn't happen. It would be easy--so easy. Yahoo could hire basically anyone for minimum wage, or even just have it a volunteeer program, for people to monitor chat room postings and instant messenger conversations, and report any evidence of illegal activity they see to the FBI. They deliberately choose not to bother doing this. THis is lazy. Yes, it's the parents fault for not being as watchful as they should be, but that's understandable, not condonable but sadly typical and, maybe, forgivable. But Yahoo in the meantime is not stepping up, is not doing anything--let me repeat that--IS NOT DOING ANYTHING to SUBSTANTIVE AT ALL to stop the pedophelia that goes on in their own chat service. No, in fact, they're actually helping pedophiles. First by creating an environment where this occurs, and then making it progressively easier and easier for hte pedophiles to prey an and abuse children
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10-23-2005, 06:55 PM I believe that the above post has some valid points. It also seems to contradict itself. In one moment you say leave the fight of 2000 and so on there, and the next your saying... it's the responsiblity of parents... simply doesn't make sense. While holding yahoo responsible for user chat for some parents might serve to soothe guilt. It seems to me that giving all the responsibility to them for this whole issue doesn't solve anything. It simply creates something far uglier then the "user chat" holding everyone responsible for this, including the parents. Because when it comes down to it. I dont' want to hear that your child is in danger because you simply couldn't take time out of your busy schedule to see that they are ok. Super sensitive teens have been allowed to get into a place where they have these special rules... "you can't say that to me" "those rules don't apply to me" " im super sensitive" BULL**** !!!! when I was growing up.. we didn't have super sensitive. If we didn't like the rules, if we didn't like what mom and dad said, we got what we needed. There was NOT a key stroker. Or a internet nanny. It was simply good old fashioned discipline. When it comes down to whether your teenagers or 10-12 year olds are going to grow up learning that you took time to be interested in what they did, or ask questions... or teach that what being a parent is about.. are you going to say.. hunnie. go search yahoo.. I dont have time. Because if you hold them responsible for the entire thing because that is what is easiest... your selling your kids out... TO YAHOO.
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