Buddy Spy questions

[garydd]

I downloaded Buddy Spy yesterday and figured the program out more today. Is there a way to use it to see all the contacts' display pics at once or a way to see them at all when using Buddy Spy and do a list scan?

Also, is the program 100% safe? For some reason, it makes you log in through the program. I hope it doesn't send my data and password to the creators of that program.

Also, about the bot settings. Is there a difference in them? I always see the words "online" or "offline" and not "invisible". Though online can mean invisible.

Also, I find that using the avatar packet scanning method gives you false positives and the web check method seems more accurate. Which one do you guys recommend? Experiment with all of them?

[Ven0m]

1. Not sure. I'm not even sure if Buddy Spy even works correctly anymore at all.

2. Yes, it's safe. It needs to log in because you're only able to scan the statuses of people on your buddy list only (at least through the way BS uses).

3. Offline means invisible and online means available.

4. I guess the web checkers. Buddy Spy hasn't been updated in a while as far as I know.

[garydd]

Offline means offline, I would think, since all those people were offline and I scanned a lot and most were offline and only 1 or 2 read as online. If offline is invisible, then what is offline supposed to be?

I also use 3 different online invisible checkers incase one might not see the invisible user.

[garydd]

No, I'm sure offline means they are offline and online can mean they are either invisible or online (that is most logical). Maybe you made a typo.

You know where I can get the lastest update of Buddy Spy? A link? I tried looking on the website but can't find a link to the actual download for the most recent release, though they say on the forum that there are newer releases. Also, the auto update feature seems to not work correctly and that is why I was trying an alternate way to download the update.

By the way, this is the most reliable Yahoo invisible checker on the net: Yahoo! Invisible Checker. It can now detect invisible users on Yahoo! Webmessenger, Meebo, Pidgin, eBuddy and more. It seems to work everytime. A few times, it read people as invisible and I told them I can see they are still online with that program and they responded immediately. That is evidence. I use other programs to scan too incase it may not be perfect. But that web site seems perfect and has been updated. check it out.

[Netti]

I don't really think any of the online checkers work 100% of the time. People have the ability to block so many different things, that the online checkers can't cover all the options.

If someone is set up in just a normal way, the online checkers work ok, but I wouldn't use it under the assumption that it will definitely work all the time.

There are about 7 different online checkers that work from a web site, and those seem to work ok.

[Ven0m]

Typically it's Yahoo's own servers that determine the online status of anyone. AFAIK, online checkers are more or less useless on the SP1 and AC4 server hives, while I think detection has a high false positive rate on the MUDs.

Yahoo's been making some server changes as of late, and within the last 6 months, invisible detection has become more hard to do.

About the ways to block them, it depends on the tactic used. I know several of the used tactics in some online checker programs couldn't be blocked or prevented. However, I'm aware of at least one way to fool an online checker to think you're offline.

I really, really hope Yahoo eventually prevents detections altogether, and honor a person's right to privacy and anonymity.

[garydd]

Fortunately, most people don't have the knowledge to know about things like turning off your online status in Yahoo websites or even know what that option in Yahoo would do or why they would want to selected it. I know people who don't even know what ignore means and they don't know how to block. I can add anyone to my address book in Yahoo Mail who never added me or anything and see them online at any time, even if they never talked to me before.

Even if they do ignore me, they can't block fake emailer (anonymous mailer), especially if I posed as themselves or one of their contact's email addresses and name to get them to open the message and it wouldn't be read as junk mail, unless it was a sophisticated junk filter. But Yahoo's filter isn't sophisticated enough to filter junk mail based on its ip address, only by the way the email address appears. I tested it a lot by sending the fake emails to myself. Windows Live seems to have a more sophisticated filter though. In this case, using fake emailer would make it impossible to be blocked.

Just to be funny and get my VN friend's attention and to get her to read my email soon, I posed as her own name and email address in fake emailer or her sister's email address and sent it to her and she thought I got her password and got in her account and emailed her by using her account to send an email to her same account. But then I showed her the fake email service I used. Like for example, you go in your account and see what looks like you emailing yourself, though you didn't do it and you get worried. A good way to scare someone you don't like though but can be a prank to friends just for fun too. My VN friend thought I got both her password and her sister's password when I never did.

I never download fake email programs anymore since they can have badware and don't seem to always send the messages. Instead, I go to web based fake email services that are free. It is hard to find a good one though. deadfake was a good one and you could even make your letters colored and bold, like in MS Word. But the service is currently unavailable.

[Ven0m]

Turning off the online status really doesn't make a difference against online detection programs. They rely on certain packets to determine if a person is online or not.

Oh, and I know a way to block the address book trick.

[garydd]

But most people aren't experienced and technical enough to know how, and that could work to our advantage. And it wouldn't matter because if I can't see them online in the address book, and I know a few of them like to be invisible, I got to the invisible scanner and I can see them as invisible and it is always accurate, it seems. Just about every time so far it was accurate and consistent. For example, I know someone that sometimes appears invisible in Yahoo when she is online in MSN, and it was being accurate because when she appears online in MSN but not in Yahoo, she is usually invisible in this case, and when I sent a message and told her I could see her, she responded; same with others. Here is the most accurate invisible checker to my knowledge: Yahoo! Invisible Checker. It can now detect invisible users on Yahoo! Webmessenger, Meebo, Pidgin, eBuddy and more

Let me guess; you block the address book by deselecting the option to allow Yahoo websites to show when you are online. I think I deselected that option in to past to test to see what it would and wouldn't show and I had myself in my address book and I appeared offline in the address book even though I wasn't; or maybe it was an error with Yahoo websites not being updated with my current status, or both.

[Ven0m]

*If* you're getting accurate results, then you're lucky. I can't wait for the day when Yahoo finally closes these holes altogether (I've sent several e-mails to Yahoo explaining how invisible scanning works, and ideas to prevent it). I've tested the little online scanner you posted, and it is indeed accurate, although I'm still able to trick it easily. If I can deduce how they're scanning for users, I'll submit that information to Yahoo too.

Oh, and no, I don't turn off the online status. There's a way to trick it even if you got that option checked.